I gotta give it a real solid look - no promises - this may be the one "quirk" everyone is going to have to live with.

Holiday and work and life haven't left me time to hardly play let alone look for this bug.

All I can promise is to look at it - it might be beyond my skill level to fix (honest) and it's looking like I'm done in Feb so I'm just going to say "I will try"

-d

I stand corrected - well, I actually knew it wasn't a 1 for 1 replacement but it's just as useful (to me).

I am the wrong person to ask about tool tips. I hardly used any before and now I'm only using Price Tracker.

I don't want to come off as the guy who ruins the party but I really meant what I said. I'm just a humble caretaker and I don't want to keep adding features and tweaks. The goal was to get the original Shopkeeper up and running and that goal was met and surpassed.

Having said that if you want to learn some LUA and you get some code that works, I have no problem adding it.

I'm assuming Garkin's suggestion was to you guys and not me. I'm sure he's plenty sick of me saying the same things over and over (sorry buddy).

Sometimes when you want something bad enough you will be surprised at what you can do.

I wanted all my sales offline in a local database. Did I know how to do, not a clue. It took a good two months (and the help of 5 beta testers) but I got GSA done.

Don't sell yourself short - LUA isn't very hard, there are great resources here on the site to help get you started.

If you want the stack costs added to the tool tips, send me some usable code and it will go right in.

-d

I don't disagree one bit.

I'm not sure why my suggestion just got completely ignored :-) - Grakin, who has been very helpful keeping this project working, took the best bits of the Shopkeeper tool tips and merged them into an abandoned addon called Price Tracker Updated -- it works good for me but I'm using GSA and Price Tracker Updated. You can even turn off the Shopkeeper tool tips and just use PTU.

First, I never wanted to be an addon author again (I had like 15 for WOW for the 6 years I played) or caretaker or bug fixer. It just kind of happened here after I published (the previously private) GSA. I felt that this great addon (which I borrowed code from for GSA) was dying. All the features users wanted, like all sales, and working tool tips and things like that I had removed them from GSA GUI.

Plus, I also had some issues with how another version was being handled so I put it up just as if Khaibit did (except fixing the bugs).

So, out of respect and thanks to him, I made sure the original Shopkeeper was up and running.

I really don't plan to add anything to this addon. I put my mission statement right at the top of the page and I'm sorry but I really do mean it.

I an not in this for any personal gain, I don't need an ego boost, my donate link is to the animal shelter I volunteer for and fixing addons take away from playing.

I'm also not sure how much longer I'll be around anyway.

I'm hoping it doesn't come to that but we'll see. I work long days and when I come home I just want to play. I don't want to add features or deal with bugs or requests. I'm just being totally honest.

The only reason GSA went public was some friends coercion and (at the time) my 100% dependent on Shopkeeper data. So I had to create the LUA part of GSA to ensure my offline database continued.

I don't want to let anyone down but I said up front what my plans were. I accomplished them and we even found that really cool formula in his code! Which, by the way, is now in Price Tracker Updated.

You could ask Garkin but I don't think he would be into it. I think he created the tool tip program so he didn't have to use Shopkeeper (I'm guessing, I have no facts to back that up).

I can't (and wouldn't assume to) speak for him so you can certainly ask him if you wanted to.

I am truly sorry -- but I do normally mean what I say and I stated the purposed here a long time ago.

-d

Hi,

This isn't really my addon. I am really just a caretaker and bug fixer.

From the main page:

This addon is great and it's tool tip code turned out to be far more advanced that anyone understood. If you need more tool tip information that uses the "Khaibit Time Value Of Gold" formula in more detailed way then I would suggest that you install Price Tracker Updated that Garkin has just finished working on.

I am NOT a tool tip user but I use this one - because I believe Khaibit's formula to be the most accurate estimation of current price and PPU found anywhere in the game. It's not your basic add total / #of units = PPU .... it's so much more than that. Plus Garkin wrote it so you know it's coded well!

In summary, I am sorry to disappoint you but there will be no additional features added to this addon.

But, the bright side is that I am happy to tell you that Garkin may have already created what you were looking for.

-d

maybe he doesn't mean ALL sales history just yours.

Also he's dealing with Server Time and epoch data.

Sometimes in GSA I have to change the date to tomorrow to see sales after 6:00 pm EST

that might be the +1 right there - I will have to test.

but check out these comments from the code:

-- Rather than constantly managing the length of the history, we'll just
-- truncate it once at init-time. As a result it will fluctuate in size
-- depending on how active guild stores are and how long someone plays for
-- at a time, but that's OK as it shouldn't impact performance too severely
-- unless someone plays for 24+ hours straight (and I've yet to see the game
-- client last anywhere near that :P )

it's hard to get an exact time when converting epoch and truncating it.

I lost many a nights sleep trying to use a converted epoch as my way to weed out duplicates then I gave up and just use epoch and convert it on the fly when it's displayed.

try 9 and see if you get 10 -- then it's probably the way he was dealing with epoch.

-d

I hate to have to keep saying this - but I don't use the addon.

How do you come to that conclusion from those two screenshots?

Also, I THINK, I'll have to look at the code - if you drop it down it takes many days before it gets to that point meaning it does't actively purge when you make that change. I believe it's gradual.

-d

We are SO on the same page

I use modified Shopkeeper in GSA but I didn't name is Shopkeeper _____

and I don't think ddShopkeeper should be called Shopkeeper.

if you search shopkeeper at ESOU you get 5 answers. (two for ddShopkeeper)

I honestly do appreciate you speaking highly of what we did here. Sincerely, thank you.

I've learned long ago that if you push someone towards something then every problem with that "something" becomes your responsibility to fix and if something goes wrong they complain to you (even if it's not related).

Can you clear that one thing up for me the 10 value do you only want 10 days? or was there a misunderstanding and you wanted 30 and somewhere along the way one of my answers probably confused you (I'm assuming that since they did make it only 10 days you can go back).

Let me know.

Thanks,

-d

I am going to try and answer this the best I can.

(I had someone else read your post too so I could get 2nd opinion on what your points were)

Also, I've been told I come off badly in long replies - I am just trying to state facts or what I feel to be facts. I am blaming no one for anything - this is just my feelings and my thoughts.



First LUA memory - you get 4 GIG for the game - whatever you take for LUA you take out of that 4. I run a lot of addons and some are private and/or highly modified and I have ZERO memory issues and i only use 96 as my memory setting.

LUA memory is just a shared pool - no addon can claim any it grabs what it grabs when it needs it and when it's low you get that message.

If you wanted to change it "on the fly" you could do this:


that will change it in game - understand you are limited to multiples of 8, 16, 32, 64, ... so 400 or something like that won't work.


One way to know which addon is eating all your memory is look at the sizes of the saved variables - the biggest ones are the biggest memory hogs!


I can look at the 11 days of info but then you confuse me by saying
Ok maybe I confused you Shopkeeper KEEPS 30 days -- the GAME will only let you look back 10 but the rest is in Shopkeepers saved variables -- thats why the slider goes 1 to 30.

also - (before looking at the code) most computers start with 0 not 1 so he probably forgot to -1 from his variable that he's displaying.


Ok here is the most confusing part of all:

I can't speak for ddShopkeeper but you can run this original version of Shopkeeper with everything - I HIGHLY suggest you don't use it with GSA but if you want to then you can just use it with GSA No GUI.

Can I ask how many addons do you use? I mean I get by with 96 meg!

if your "whole" guild is reporting issues - they aren't doing it here.

I'm just saying if they are using ddShopkeeper or DataDaedra (both of which rely of LibGuildHistory) then maybe there is a problem but it isn't here.

If your guild relies on ddShopkeeper and it's working for them, than don't suggest they move.

[I am only using ddShopkeeper as an example - I was just trying to figure out what they are confusing this addon with and that's the most likely candidate but it's a TOTAL GUESS - I am not putting down ddShopkeeper in any way!]


Try disabling the two with the biggest saved variables and then see if you have a memory issues. You won't.


Look around here, you don't see a forum with unresolved issues here? or at GSA or anything Garkin is working on? We always have a Change Log. No surprises happen here.

We (now) have 1 open error - a 10 that should say 11 that I will look at and it will get fixed.

All the Libs we use are tried and tested since the game began.

Plus you have two different authors (who don't use this addon and have NOTHING to gain from it) spending time to make sure it's code is flawless.


I think you personally might be using too many redundant addons if at that high LUA memory you are having problems. if you want to PM me your addons list i can tell you what is redundant.

With addons the truth is "more is not better"

Thank you for the kind works I'm am sure Garkin feels the same way. It's nice to be appreciated.

but we have to end on another question ... what do you mean by "I know there are other apps out there not being shared." ??

I won't even guess on that statement. It implies like a conspiracy or something.

I hope I answered some of your questions.

All that we have done here is fix the few things Khaibit wasn't able to before he left and keep it as he originally intended. Before he left he had like 27k downloads so I tried to give users back what they wanted. Khaibit's Shopkeeper.

I know this code is clean and I know this addon works. If people use it all the better but I truly don't care what other people use. As long as they enjoy the game.


-d