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Hodor Reflexes Should Not Violate User Trust
Version: 1.0.0
by: code65536 [More]
This disables the new "feature" in Hodor Reflexes that crosses a line and violates the fundamental trust that should exist between an addon and players.

A forum post explaining what I mean by the violation of user trust.

Update: The offending feature was removed in HR 1.8.38, which is a full rollback of .37 back to .36. The new "reporting feature" in .38's original change log (which has since been edited) appears to be nothing more than a salty joke.
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Unread 07/04/22, 10:08 PM  
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Originally Posted by ownedbynico
What I dont get is why you are crying about an addon and comparing it to.. malware? Like wtf. You did install it by yourself and it was also mentioned in the changelogs. Nothing has been "slipped in". You compared it to a game with a hidden cryptominer - which is pretty far fetched as no game would add "Added hidden cryptominer" to their patch notes.
Unfortunately, most people dont read changelogs (or FAQs).. instead they keep asking the same dumb questions over and over again. But thats your own fault and has _nothing_ to do with any sort of "trust violation".
What I don't get is why you're crying about a protest addon. If you liked that feature in HR, why are you even looking here? Just bored and like to pick a fight, I guess?

And yes, I stand by my characterization. First, "it's in the changelog" is irrelevant because most people don't read them. I do, but most people don't. Same reason why some EULAs don't stand up when they're actually challenged in court.

Second, because many people install HR because they're asked to for sharing colos or horns or whatever. They didn't install it so that they can be trolled by whoever happens to have crown.

It's just one of those basic expectations that people have, you know? That something that I install doesn't do some weird unexpected **** that's unrelated to its main function. And in that regard, it's exactly like a cryptominer hidden in a game.

People should always be aware of what they install. Same goes for apps on their computer/smartphone.
If you dont like an addon you can just remove it. Its as easy as that. No one has to feel abused and/or violated because they could always just remove it from their addons folder.
Ah, yes, the good old, "if you don't like it, then don't use it" line. Let's say you did read the changelog (as I did) and are appalled by this feature. So what do you do? Can't really uninstall HR since many raids require it, for coordinating colos, horns, etc. So I did the next best thing: uninstalled the feature that I didn't like. Hence why this addon was created. Think of it as a way to selectively uninstall.

As for my commentary, such as with the naming of this addon, I'm free to express as much displeasure as I like with what I view as an indefensible feature, and I'll express that displeasure as I damn well please. And if my disapproval of HR's feature somehow offends you, then, again, why are you even here?

See, from my perspective, it's kinda weird that I get someone commenting on an obsolete, irrelevant addon (since HR did completely remove the offending feature, this addon does literally nothing now), long after the controversy has passed. As far as I can tell, from the tone of your posts, that you're just here to pick a fight... because... like you defending crappy features? BTW, you're also the first and only person that I've seen defending this feature that was in HR.
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Unread 07/04/22, 09:05 PM  
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Originally Posted by code65536
ROFL. First, it's irrelevant now that andy.s caved to the negative backlash that his feature rightfully deserved.

Second, if you bothered to download this addon and see what it does, it's not a different version of HR, but rather something that sabotages HR's feature. But I suppose it's easier to post a snarky comment in defense of an indefensible feature than to do a minute's worth of investigation.
I have to admit that I did not look into the code. Sorry for that one.

What I dont get is why you are crying about an addon and comparing it to.. malware? Like wtf. You did install it by yourself and it was also mentioned in the changelogs. Nothing has been "slipped in". You compared it to a game with a hidden cryptominer - which is pretty far fetched as no game would add "Added hidden cryptominer" to their patch notes.
Unfortunately, most people dont read changelogs (or FAQs).. instead they keep asking the same dumb questions over and over again. But thats your own fault and has _nothing_ to do with any sort of "trust violation".

People should always be aware of what they install. Same goes for apps on their computer/smartphone.
If you dont like an addon you can just remove it. Its as easy as that. No one has to feel abused and/or violated because they could always just remove it from their addons folder.
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Unread 07/04/22, 05:46 PM  
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Originally Posted by ownedbynico
Did you at least ask for permission to reupload it?
ROFL. First, it's irrelevant now that andy.s caved to the negative backlash that his feature rightfully deserved.

Second, if you bothered to download this addon and see what it does, it's not a different version of HR, but rather something that sabotages HR's feature. But I suppose it's easier to post a snarky comment in defense of an indefensible feature than to do a minute's worth of investigation.
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Unread 07/03/22, 09:39 PM  
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Originally Posted by WebbyGaming
Did you at least read the point of this addon fix?
That's not how "Intellectual Property Rights" work..
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Originally Posted by ownedbynico
Did you at least ask for permission to reupload it?
Did you at least read the point of this addon fix?
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Unread 07/02/22, 04:43 PM  
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But mostly, it's my way of giving the new feature my middle finger.
Did you at least ask for permission to reupload it?
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Unread 06/22/22, 01:40 AM  
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Thanks code.
Beside that the abuse of the API to provide such a feature might even get ZOs (again) to lock us down some API functions
Depends on how many users complaon and what ZOs thinks about it...

Just because something is possible and not against any readable TOS does not mean it should be done Common sense etc.

Originally Posted by code65536
Originally Posted by NeuroticPixels
Sooooo.... who exactly would be interested in this addon? People who use Hodor Reflexes? People who don't? Both? If both, then why? I'm confused.
This is mostly my way of expressing disapproval at this new thing in HR. The very concept is abominable.

As for practical usage, in end-game raiding, HR is kind of a de facto required addon. For supports to share horn (though this damage stop feature exempts healers and tanks), for necros to coordinate Major Vulnerability, and there are some raid leads who like to keep an eye on people's DPS in real time (I personally find that distasteful, but that's not relevant here). So I have heard from a number of people who "must" use HR, but hate this new "feature" that it has, and this is ostensibly for them.

But mostly, it's my way of giving the new feature my middle finger.
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Unread 06/21/22, 08:25 PM  
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Can't believe Andy actually added this ''feature'' to HR. Thanks for this fix code
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Unread 06/21/22, 08:04 PM  
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Originally Posted by NeuroticPixels
Sooooo.... who exactly would be interested in this addon? People who use Hodor Reflexes? People who don't? Both? If both, then why? I'm confused.
This is mostly my way of expressing disapproval at this new thing in HR. The very concept is abominable.

As for practical usage, in end-game raiding, HR is kind of a de facto required addon. For supports to share horn (though this damage stop feature exempts healers and tanks), for necros to coordinate Major Vulnerability, and there are some raid leads who like to keep an eye on people's DPS in real time (I personally find that distasteful, but that's not relevant here). So I have heard from a number of people who "must" use HR, but hate this new "feature" that it has, and this is ostensibly for them.

But mostly, it's my way of giving the new feature my middle finger.
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Originally Posted by NeuroticPixels
Sooooo.... who exactly would be interested in this addon? People who use Hodor Reflexes? People who don't? Both? If both, then why? I'm confused.
People who use Hodor Reflexes. As per the most recent update to Hodor Reflexes:

1.8.37

- Added an ability to stop damage on bosses for greedy damage dealers who ignore their raid lead. You need to assign a hotkey and adjust the duration if needed (addon settings->misc->stop damage duration). When the hotkey is pressed by the group leader, everyone with a dps role won't be able to use skills (except self targeted) when targeting main boss for the duration (default is 5 seconds) or until the key is pressed again.
As this addon states, that is a massive violation and abuse of trust. Until that """feature""" is removed, Hodor Reflexes should honestly just outright be uninstalled. Otherwise, this addon is a requirement.
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Sooooo.... who exactly would be interested in this addon? People who use Hodor Reflexes? People who don't? Both? If both, then why? I'm confused.
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